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【AEONCR 5139 交流专区】永旺信贷

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 楼主| 发表于 25-11-2007 02:06 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Mr.Business 于 24-11-2007 09:55 PM 发表
另外,我知道你讲的情况,不过这情况并不发生在AEON Credit上。我个人觉得私人公司应该不常会发生share premium的情形。因为这代表股东以超过股票面值的价钱购买公司的新股票,也就是说股东买贵了,这对那股东来说不是很吃亏吗?


看回AEON Credit的Changes of Equity,有share premium RM34.9 million。

我应该更正我之前讲的话:

1. 私人公司也可能会有share premium。

2. AEON Credit是于1997年开业的。这几年,股东都持续投入资金,总共拿出的现金是RM57.9 million (原始投资额)。

这次IPO, AEON Credit发出新股22 million售价每股RM2.50,另外AEON Credit的大股东AEON Credit Japan献售20 million股,售价每股RM2.50。IPO之后AEON Credit的票数是120 million,par value是RM0.50。

这表示在IPO之前,AEON Credit的issued and paid-up capital是RM49 million,票数是98 million股,par value是RM0.50。

现在AEON Credit Japan献售20 million股,售价每股RM2.50,得到RM50 million,再加上历年分得的股息RM7.878 million。这就是说AEON Credit Japan已经回本  (原始投资额是RM57.9 million ), 而且手上还持有AEON Credit的74.220 million股 (61.85%%的股份), 以IPO价格RM2.50计算,价值RM185.55 million!




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发表于 25-11-2007 09:02 AM | 显示全部楼层

回复 #181 Mr.Business 的帖子

我都还来不及看你就已经知道了, 果然是 cari 最会找资料的人。
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发表于 25-11-2007 09:14 AM | 显示全部楼层

回复 #181 Mr.Business 的帖子

其实我哥哥有意思要申请, 但我有3 个问题想不通, 我们来讨论讨论好吗?

1. 假如这股是好的话,  为什么他的母公司要卖20 million 股 ?(16.7% after IPO 或 20.4% before IPO  )

2. 公司要这么多钱来做什么?

3. 不懂你有看过一个新闻吗, 是说 credit card market 是继 subprime mortgage market 下一个会在美国及英国爆的泡沫。。。。。。 那些institution 酱credit card 的现金流包装成新的证劵, 而且还有次贷的影子。。。。。

正路来看这个ipo 是很正常, 但反路来看就不妥了, 就你所说, 他们

现在AEON Credit Japan献售20 million股,售价每股RM2.50,得到RM50 million,再加上历年分得的股息RM7.878 million。这就是说AEON Credit Japan已经回本  (原始投资额是RM57.9 million ), 而且手上还持有AEON Credit的74.220 million股 (61.85%%的股份), 以IPO价格RM2.50计算,价值RM185.55 million!


他们越有好处, 新股东就越亏本。。。。。 感觉上好像在卖货及拿回本。。。

我不是说这些东西是真的, 但有这个可能性。。。。我今天也要看看他的prospectus 来找答案。。。。如有人懂的话, 请不吝指教

吃东西了, 回来再谈, 如有得罪, 多多包涵
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发表于 25-11-2007 10:57 AM | 显示全部楼层
让我回答第二题先:

2. 公司要这么多钱来做什么?


公司得到55 million, 其中 75% 或 41million 是拿来还债的, 很明显这是在转移风险, 酱风险从公司转移到股东身上。。。。。。。 这股风险太大了, before IPO  leverage ratio 是 5.540  倍, After IPO 是4.036 虽说债务公司会比较高, 但 5.54 倍 及 4.036 倍太高了。

普遍来说, 当公司没办法再从银行借钱( 因 balance sheet 不美) , 才会从股东下手, 这可不是一个好现象, 他拿你的钱不是拿来发展, 而是拿来还债, 好不好就见仁见智了。  另外银行不肯借钱的另外一个原因应是好像 8 years 所说的, trade receivable 太高了。。。。。。。 假如钱不是拿来发展而是还债的话, 那要买成长股的人就要小心想想了。

以上纯属个人以见, 没有任何证据支持,股要升什么理由都可以,  请看看就好。
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发表于 25-11-2007 02:01 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 #183 陈门第一大弟子 的帖子

1. 假如这股是好的话,  为什么他的母公司要卖20 million 股 ?(16.7% after IPO 或 20.4% before IPO  )


最大的可能性是因为马国的荒谬政策, 30% 土著。 假如不酱做的话, 就必须出多42 million 股。。。。。。 偏激一点及阴谋论的就会问, 问什么不出多一点??  这个就不懂那些大股东想什么了。

无论如何, 他们成功卖到20 million 股, 也成功拿回本, 也成功为自己的手上剩下的股票释放价值, 也令公司更容易借钱( 因为是上市公司), 也成功的搞好自己的 balance sheet, 这就是他们的厉害了~~~

但买的人就要想一想了, 总共大概35% 的股票被抛到大众手中, 其中30% 是在不知名的土著手中, 想要第一天就卖的人难度就高一点和手要快一点了。

加入是我的话, 绝对不会拿超过10% 的capital 去签这个 IPO, 风险太大了


以上纯属个人以见, 没有任何证据支持,股要升什么理由都可以,  请看看就好。
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发表于 25-11-2007 02:06 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 #183 陈门第一大弟子 的帖子

第三个不答了, 上网找应该就有了。 不过最近信贷市场不是很对路, japan 及 US 的汇率, 利率, 股市 , 一团糟。 这次的 IPO 也有可能是母公司套现现金及释放价值, 因风险太大及没有人知道明年会发生什么事。。。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 25-11-2007 06:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 陈门第一大弟子 于 25-11-2007 10:57 AM 发表
让我回答第二题先:

2. 公司要这么多钱来做什么?

公司得到55 million, 其中 75% 或 41million 是拿来还债的, 很明显这是在转移风险,酱风险从公司转移到股东身上。。。。。。。 这股风险太大了, before IPO  leverage ratio 是 5.540  倍,After IPO 是4.036 虽说债务公司会比较高, 但 5.54 倍 及 4.036 倍太高了。

普遍来说, 当公司没办法再从银行借钱( 因 balance sheet 不美) , 才会从股东下手, 这可不是一个好现象,他拿你的钱不是拿来发展, 而是拿来还债, 好不好就见仁见智了。  另外银行不肯借钱的另外一个原因应是好像 8 years 所说的, tradereceivable 太高了。。。。。。。 假如钱不是拿来发展而是还债的话, 那要买成长股的人就要小心想想了。

以上纯属个人以见, 没有任何证据支持,股要升什么理由都可以,  请看看就好。


AEON Credit的生意是借人钱,而资金从哪里来?跟人借。这就是她的生意模式, 所以她的borrowing和receivable都很高,这是正常的, 而她最大的风险就是欠钱人不还她钱。。。
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发表于 25-11-2007 08:05 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 #169 Mr.Business 的帖子

big cap  市值超过 60亿 (RM6 BILLION), midcap 少过 60亿多过12亿, smallcap 少过12亿的市值。
这是 PUBLIC MUTUAL 的 DEFINATION
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 楼主| 发表于 25-11-2007 08:12 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 #188 henggh 的帖子

谢谢henggh兄的答复,感激感激。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 26-11-2007 09:39 AM | 显示全部楼层
新闻。

Monday November 26, 2007

AEON Credit goes for value

By YEOW POOI LING

AEON Credit Service (M) Bhd, which will make its listing debut on Dec 12, expects future growth to be buoyed by new product offerings and network expansion.

In a recent interview with StarBiz, managing director Naruhito Kuroda said AEON Credit's niche was based on the credit value offered.

“We specialise in small value financing; hence we do not compete directly with banks,” he said.  

For example, product financing for consumers ranges from RM1,000 to RM5,000 and for small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), less than RM50,000.  

This value segment was not popular in the market, as most leasing companies and banks offered financing of more than RM50,000, Kuroda said.

AEON Credit's product financing covers electrical items, office equipment as well as gold and jewellery. “It is more difficult for banks to tap into this segment,” he said.  

Besides credit card facility, it also offers personal financing and easy payment scheme. It has over 85,000 credit card customers and the number is likely to increase 30% by the end of this financial year ending Feb 28, 2008 (FY08) and by 50% in FY09.  

“Our base is small so it is not that difficult to achieve,” Kuroda said, adding that credit cards contributed about 25% of its revenue in the current fiscal year.  

Transactions by credit card were mainly for retail purchases while cash advancement (cash withdrawn from automated teller machines) made up only 5% to 6% of transactions, he said, noting that 30% of its customers spent at Jusco outlets.  

AEON Credit's competitive advantage in this segment is its bigger credit limit and low monthly repayment over a longer period.  

It also wants credit card members to apply for the easy payment scheme as only 40% of the customers use the plan.

“We want to capture more credit cardholders as our easy payment customers to maximise sales. This will also bring additional sales to us,” he said.  

“For those who do not own a credit card, we're planning to issue a pre-paid card next year,” Kuroda added.  

In terms of services, AEON Credit offers quick approvals for easy payment applications. The waiting period, previously four days, has been reduced to one day.  

For express card members who were seen as good repayment masters, approvals were given within 15 minutes, Kuroda said.  

Next year, it also intends to introduce financing of up to RM50,000 for second-hand cars. It started financing motorcycles in 2002, and ventured into second-hand motorcycles segment in 2005.  

“We're still studying the interest rate structure to offer a competitive rate, as well as to provide fast approval process. Our sister companies in Hong Kong and Thailand have experience in this segment,” he said.  

Additionally, AEON Credit plans to extend product financing to SMEs next year.  

“This year, we've been testing the market by offering financing for products like printers, computers and office furniture,” Kuroda said.  

Consumer spending in Malaysia is anticipated to remain buoyant. “The economy will be strong, fuelled by the Visit Malaysia campaign, Mega Sales, and festive season celebrations such as the New Year and the Chinese New Year,” he said.  

Furthermore, government servants were given a pay rise this year, he noted, adding that Malaysia also had a large percentage of young people who would eventually join the workforce.  

Kuroda noted that AEON Credit had a strong network within major cities but had weak presence in suburbs and rural areas, which offered much potential for the easy payment programme.  

“Next year, we plan to expand the network to second-tier towns and subsequently to rural areas. We're currently testing the market in Johor, Pahang and Negri Sembilan,” he said.  

As for non-performing loans (NPLs), he said the rate over the past few years had been stable, with the NPL ratio for credit cards at 3.2% while for easy payment and personal financing at about 2%.  

Kuroda said the company made full provisions for outstanding loans of more than three months and 20% for those with two months outstanding.  

In the listing exercise, AEON Credit expects to raise RM55mil, of which RM41mil will be used for loans repayment, RM8mil for working capital, RM3mil for information technology investment and the balance RM3mil for listing expenses.  

The initial public offering involves sale of 20 million shares by AEON Credit Japan, the holding company of AEON Credit, and an issue of 22 million new shares in AEON Credit, both at RM2.50 each.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/s ... 557722&sec=business
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发表于 26-11-2007 12:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Mr.Business 于 11-7-2007 08:59 AM 发表


origen兄为什么不想申请AEON Credit的IPO?不看好AEON Credit或是不看好大市?



我只有一个MAYBANK2U SAVING AC (可以上网查询那种), 可以申请吗?
我是新新新手。。。
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发表于 26-11-2007 02:33 PM | 显示全部楼层

另外几个未来热门股。。。建议买来收藏。

现看好aeon这间公司的资产负债表,还有结合过后是否在未来有发展潜能,才来做投资的打算吧。。还有个建议就是购买synergydrive这既将上市的大公司。。。 它的未来发展空间是满阔的。。请按----〉http://www.synergydrive.com.my/P ... ases/News-Nov27.pdf
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发表于 26-11-2007 04:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 imlouis 于 26-11-2007 02:33 PM 发表
现看好aeon这间公司的资产负债表,还有结合过后是否在未来有发展潜能,才来做投资的打算吧。。还有个建议就是购买synergydrive这既将上市的大公司。。。 它的未来发展空间是满阔的。。请按----〉http://www.syn ...





THANKS。。。
但是要怎样买?很CONFUSE啊!!!之前看了新手手册。。。也不晓得该从哪里开始。。。
什么CDS 。。。什么NOMINEE AC。。。头晕啊!!!要注册什么?开什么AC的?
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发表于 26-11-2007 08:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
我已经用maybank的atm machine来申请,cds account 是用 itradecimb的。。。那么28号过后,我要去maybank2u check呢还是itradecimb account check status ????
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发表于 27-11-2007 12:58 AM | 显示全部楼层

回复 #193 爱自由男人 的帖子

Sorry cos my pc's chinese words version got sum interuption.. If you wana open an acc in the investment bank.. You can try osk investment bank.. You can just take a form frm the reminser (if u din got i can introduce my reminser to u).. He would teach you how to fill in the form.. you must register faster now b4 this new share had published into the public.. My email: soong_85@hotmail.com---
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发表于 27-11-2007 11:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
刚申请了!!
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发表于 30-11-2007 12:19 PM | 显示全部楼层
申请了500share
几时能知道结果???
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发表于 30-11-2007 12:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 ^ska^ 于 30-11-2007 12:19 PM 发表
申请了500share
几时能知道结果???


ballot 过后....
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发表于 1-12-2007 02:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
永旺信貸超額認購25倍 - 東方日報 1th Dec 2007

(吉隆坡30日訊)即將在大馬交易所主板上市的永旺信貸服務(馬)有限公司(AEON Credit Service),在首次公開售股計劃下,成功取得25.2倍超額認購。


配合這次上市計劃,永旺信貸服務共發售4200萬股,其中600萬股發售予大馬公眾、企業、社團及機構,其中的30%保留於土著投資者。

50萬股保留給公司合格董事和雇員,3550萬股發售予受國際貿易與工業部批准的土著投資者。

該公司共收到3萬6317份申請書,合計認購1億5721萬1900股股票,相等于超額認購25.2倍。
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发表于 3-12-2007 11:53 AM | 显示全部楼层
如果申请失败的话钱是否能拿回??为何要新申请者须收费一令吉??
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