当选区是UMNO vs PAS时，应该投废票？

老医师

伊党里有一半是温和派，污桶全党是极端派

伊党议席只有20个，扣掉开明派保守派只有十多个，不管怎么喊宗教口号，也是自己爽而已

污桶极端派88个，加上其他傀儡党，什么做不出？

老医师

长老会里的宗教师也不是全支持哈迪，开明派主导的中委会更不用说，哈迪那班人是骑劫了中委会！
The men of integrity

Take a bow, Hanipa Maidin, Mohd Sany Abdullah, Wan Kharizal Wan Khazim and their ilk.

These men refused to be cowed into silence or beaten into submission by the boos, walkouts and thuggish behaviour by a segment of delegates at the PAS muktamar this week.

They urged their party men to think carefully before accepting the position of menteri besar of Selangor, pointing out that it would betrayal of trust of their Pakatan Rakyat (PR) allies, not to mention setting in motion the demise of the coalition.



The most erudite of the lot was Hanipa, the party's legal chief and perhaps the one individual who should be an example for Malaysians in this period of bullying and intimidation.
It would have been much easier and rewarding for him to have stuck to the party line offered by Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang and the hardliners. But no, he did not choose the easy way out.

Anecdotal evidence suggests that he has stood up to the hardliners in meetings as the crisis over the Selangor MB's position escalated.

All the while pointing out that the MB's position in Selangor is PKR's. And, therefore, Tan Sri Abdul Khalid Ibrahim's replacement must come from the party.

Hanipa has also stated on a number of occasions the undisputed fact of Malaysian politics: that the MB must enjoy the majority support of the state assembly.

He is on solid ground here because the Federal Court in the Perak power grab laid down the rule.

At the PAS muktamar, Hanipa was booed roundly by supporters of the so-called ulama class when he made three points about the party accepting the MB's position.

One, the MB's position in Selangor belongs to PKR.

Two, a PAS MB would not enjoy the support of PKR and DAP and would lead a fragile state government.

"If we accept, we cannot run from the accusations that we have broken our promise," he said.

Third, accepting the MB's position would lead to the break-up of PR.

Throughout his speech, he was heckled. But he did not lose his calm, pointing out that he was just stating the facts.

In the final analysis, Hanipa, Sany and the others who urged PAS to act justly and reject the MB's position did not appear to have done enough to prick the conscience of the party's growing band of ambitious zealots.

But what is really admirable is that they tried. They did not go with the flow. They did not succumb the threats and intimidation. They did not choose to stay silent on the sidelines.

They spoke up.

A damn good example for Malaysians.

The men of expediency and convenience

But there is a section in PAS that believe otherwise. That political expediency must win over anything else, even a pledge or vow with your allies.

Some of these men inhabit the powerful Muslim scholars’ wing of PAS, they who lead the Islamist party's spiritual path.

They would want you to believe the notion that without them, PAS would be blind just as without the professionals, the party would limp along.

Their foresight and piety, however, masks something else. It masks their political ambition to rule over Malaysians in the only way they see fit.

That they are the guides to a better and more spiritual path.

That no one else will do, especially if it is a woman.

Today, one of them, PAS Dewan Ulama acting deputy chief Datuk Mahfodz Mohamed said the party should accept whoever the Selangor palace has chosen to avoid angering the state ruler.

"If the menteri besar is from PKR we should accept. If the menteri besar is from PAS we should also accept.

"We already have one enemy, Umno. We should not add another enemy from the palace," he said at the muktamar today.

Expediency. Convenience. All that over political bonds and friendship forged in two elections.

To hell with pacts made and agreements signed. Do anything, even repudiate all that, rather than anger the palace. The people who voted do not matter.

Because the voters are just sheep. And the ulama are the shepherds or guides who decide and cannot be questioned.

The thing is, these scholars have no business dictating their demands to the rest and sundry. PAS is in a partnership with two other parties and all three need to have mutual respect.

Just as it is wrong for Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim and his ilk to decide the “Kajang move” unilaterally without consulting his allies, it is also wrong for PAS scholars to go their own way without taking their allies' interests into consideration.

Malaysians want politicians of character and integrity, not those with just naked lust for power and are willing to do anything to get that power. – September 20, 2014

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.c ... thash.uPt4EKJi.dpuf

科学就是未来

flashang 发表于 20-9-2014 05:49 PM
使用战略的角度来看，还是要投 pas.

只有借 pas 把 "勿同" 绊倒，才能够继续其他的。

DAP 基本把能拿得议席都拿到了。
PKR 在安华效应不再有影响力下，基本上很难再有作为（去问问新的选民，安华是谁做过什么？很多人都不知道，大家因为反国阵才投民联的）

下一届如果民联执政中央，DAP + PKR 肯定不能过一半，再加上PAS开明派，可能只在45% +- 打转，而PAS 保守派就是造王者。看到危险了吗？
当PAS 保守派是造王者，他们还不乘机提出实行胡度回教法时刻，如果民联拒绝，巫统可能会跟他们招手，条件是在马来西亚实行胡度回教法。PAS 保守派主要目的是回教化和加强马来西亚回教地位，我们就会向中东迈进了。

当年华人大力支持国阵在安华被捕后的大选，帮助国阵过2/3, 华社都会知道这个是最好时刻提上华人诉求，可惜当时华人还不是造王者，只是帮BN 保住2/3 多数议席优势，结果被极端主义者鸟了。当时是马来票流失，而华人票怕回教党而流向国阵，国阵知道华人不会跑，而加强马来至上的政策来回马来票。

现在国阵同样知道保守派基本上定型，该支持国阵的支持了，该支持PAS 的支持了，他们比较有心去拉拢改革派，纳吉已经在慢慢改变。如果这个时候让PAS 保守派变造王者（造王者是最可怕的，失去2/3 优势还是王，失去1/2 就是败者了），那么国阵政策会变。

我还是觉得民联现阶段比较适合当反对党，如果他们没有办法改变PAS 的保守势力。最好的办法还是让保守派拿不到议席，最好是PAS输到脱裤，输到吉兰丹最好，他们才知道什么胡度回教法不是国人能接受的。而保守派输到大选，就没有势力的。现在他们大题胡度回教法，还大胜的话，就是危机。

flashang

科学就是未来 发表于 21-9-2014 11:45 AM
DAP 基本把能拿得议席都拿到了。
PKR 在安华效应不再有影响力下，基本上很难再有作为（去问问新的选民， ...

让回教党因为回教法，以及要不要加入国阵谈条件吧。
对于要不要回教法，还是要参考文莱，这个还需要另外一轮的辩论。

就算全部回教党跳槽和国阵合并了，也到不了 2/3 。

换一个角度来看，如果用一两个州来换取其他州的福利也是可以接受的。。。

现在的情况比较像是大部分国人都开始有自己的主见，
回教徒目前比较在意有没有贪污、滥权、腐败，
能不能够跟着国家一起成长。

他们不要只会照顾自己集团的人，而所谓享有福利的人民却辛苦的生存。

科学就是未来

flashang 发表于 21-9-2014 12:42 PM
让回教党因为回教法，以及要不要加入国阵谈条件吧。
对于要不要回教法，还是要参考文莱，这个还需要另外 ...

要改宪法是需要2/3 议席。
但是改法律只需要1/2议席。把法律改成一胡度回教法为主的概念，够你死了

大一

幸好我的选区是马华对行动党。不难选择。也要看啦。我不会盲目投行动党。可能国州不同阵营。不要投巫统和伊党，投给中立人士。一个种族之上，一个宗教之上，出卖盟友，不要给他们机会。

flashang

科学就是未来 发表于 21-9-2014 12:55 PM
要改宪法是需要2/3 议席。
但是改法律只需要1/2议席。把法律改成一胡度回教法为主的概念，够你死了

勿同 都过半超过 50 年，2/3 也好几届。

连回教国都做了，他们不在乎有没有 胡度 发。

hanskumpau

投了真的会算进去吗？