【槟岛建筑工地土崩】郑雨周2年前曾反对计划 无奈各单位一意孤行

仓底货

forte 发表于 28-10-2017 01:06 PM
世事预想不到的太多了

那个那么搞笑的讯息是不是真的？

土崩的话题突然间少了某声音。

forte

仓底货 发表于 28-10-2017 03:01 PM
那个那么搞笑的讯息是不是真的？

土崩的话题突然间少了某声音。

政治真真假假，假假真真。
人民跟着空转，K来K去；

上面的荣华富贵，草民照旧搵食艰难。

仓底货

forte 发表于 28-10-2017 03:20 PM
政治真真假假，假假真真。
人民跟着空转，K来K去；

上面的荣华富贵，草民照旧搵食艰难。

也对，就好像昨晚 NTV7 不请三只脚的蔡兆源，而请另外一位上来评论，一针见血的讲出这次的大选鸡鸡完全信心满满，根本不用提高一马援助金就可以稳胜。

forte

仓底货 发表于 28-10-2017 03:32 PM
也对，就好像昨晚 NTV7 不请三只脚的蔡兆源，而请另外一位上来评论，一针见血的讲出这次的大选鸡鸡完全信心满满，根本不用提高一马援助金就可以稳胜。

打仗最怕各怀鬼胎，目标不一致。308民政党几个有机会成为CM的强人，都叫自己的人在对方的选区投火箭，降低对自己的威胁。后来的结果，你我都知道了

虽然我很不愿意面对现实，但是鸡鸡可以兰溪不是没有理由的

dogdogman

vvti_84 发表于 28-10-2017 11:32 AM
奇怪。。以前大家怎麽就很支持和火箭在同一陣綫對抗當時的執政黨的NGO的？

當NGO變得像台灣的NGO時候，以完全不同態度，不同標準對待同樣一件事情時候，就自然對所謂NGO有所保留了啦。
環保議題，NGO只對檳城的綠色有興趣而已。
愛狗議題，NGO也只愛檳城的狗而已。

跟台灣一樣。中立反核NGO當國民黨執政時候，就反得超級厲害，一旦民進黨上台，反核NGO就冬眠去了。
台灣居住正義中立NGO，在國民黨執政的縣市，對於都市更改，老屋拆毀搬遷，居住中立NGO鬧得可就厲害了。
但是，民進黨執政的縣市，比如高雄市啦，台南市啦，民進黨的地盤，同樣被逼搬遷的事情。 居住中立NGO就打哈欠沒興趣去鬧。

dogdogman

忘了再提一個典型的NGO的double standard 態度問題。
填海。

馬六甲填海
柔佛填海
丁加奴填海（很多人不知道，因為不是檳城的，當然沒興趣）
檳城填海

只有檳城的被shoot得最夠力，其他州的嘛，不值得一提。

kmrddecade

dogdogman 发表于 28-10-2017 06:20 PM
忘了再提一個典型的NGO的double standard 態度問題。
填海。

馬六甲填海
柔佛填海
丁加奴填海（很多人不知道，因為不是檳城的，當然沒興趣）
檳城填海

只有檳城的被shoot得最夠力，其他州的嘛，不值得一 ...

这就是其中一个最让人不喜欢的重点，懒惰。
马六甲填海，
柔佛填海，
丁加奴填海

你有看到那个红豆的网页一直不断的报道吗？
没有。

红豆自己都不敢报道你要其他没有关心政治什么的普通人怎样知道其他地方有填海？
说到底就是红豆喜欢坐定定在家拿走狗报的新闻来开题，copy and paste然后又complain走狗报不好，
自己又懒，又不会原创，还投诉普通人为什么不反其他州填海只反槟城填海。

dogdogman

kmrddecade 发表于 28-10-2017 08:35 PM
这就是其中一个最让人不喜欢的重点，懒惰。
马六甲填海，
柔佛填海，
丁加奴填海

你有看到那个红豆的网页一直不断的报道吗？
没有。

红豆自己都不敢报道你要其他没有关心政治什么的普通人怎样知道其他地 ...

嘻嘻嘻。。。你的邏輯思維出了大問題。
檳城自己填海，但是身為行動黨支持者卻跑去攻擊人家馬六甲，柔佛，丁加奴有填海，這就是犯了雙重標準的毛病。

我偶然只會提，也只是讓大家看清楚所謂藍X派跟所謂NGO的credibility。

藍X派就喜歡幹這種雙重標準的事情，或者玩雙面人。
在檳城，尤其是民政黨就以檳城在野黨的身份幹大力批判行動黨州政府。
但是，民政，在其他州屬是屬於國陣中央政府，或者州政府份子，他們填海，民政就裝蠢不管他們的事。

國陣人可以這樣不要臉玩雙面人，但是不要要求人人跟你們一樣不要臉。起碼我dogdogman是不會這樣不要臉。

我現在提起，也會心戚戚惹來中立的 “你除了比爛還會比什麼”的大帽子。

kmrddecade

dogdogman 发表于 28-10-2017 09:09 PM
嘻嘻嘻。。。你的邏輯思維出了大問題。
檳城自己填海，但是身為行動黨支持者卻跑去攻擊人家馬六甲，柔佛，丁加奴有填海，這就是犯了雙重標準的毛病。

我偶然只會提，也只是讓大家看清楚所謂藍X派跟所謂NGO的cr ...

所以你是说，自己填海就不可以评判别人填海，就算那是错的？
难怪从308之后，很少听到朋党这个词了，很少听到限制首相2任制，现在就连贪污都不说了

仓底货

真的是火箭不出席，而且纠缠在这帖的残粉也休战，看来那个短讯是真的。

dogdogman

kmrddecade 发表于 28-10-2017 09:47 PM
所以你是说，自己填海就不可以评判别人填海，就算那是错的？
难怪从308之后，很少听到朋党这个词了，很少听到限制首相2任制，现在就连贪污都不说了

首先，我一路來都是不反對填海的。QBM那一整塊地是填出來的，從日落洞垃圾場到五條路那邊也填海填出來的。
什麼問題？
問題是出在有人雙重標準找渣。
國陣執政時候，他們填海就沒有問題，現在行動黨填海就有問題。

現在的州政府也有填海，州政府當然是認為沒有問題才填海。自己可以填海，然後跑去罵別人（馬六甲柔佛丁加奴）做麼填海？！這種不要臉事情國陣才會特別喜歡幹。

當然，這種攻擊如果以藍X兵身份出擊，只要稍微有腦袋的人就不會buy。因為人家有腦的就會想：你可以填海，人家就不可以填海？！

這時候，當然是要批上”中立的“的獸皮出來表演了啦。

pulauturtle

郑雨周竟然假情假意问还有多少人埋在底下，它玩完了，露出虚伪的面目了。。。

没办法，它终于说要离开火箭，没得投机骗票了

pulauturtle

forte 发表于 28-10-2017 12:27 PM
这次提出质疑的包括槟消协。如果有人觉得这个声誉保持了三四十年的权威组织never got otak, 我觉得这个人的otak很像虾。

别美化penang forum这个载面具的国阵份子了。

没用的，骗不过人们的

forte

pulauturtle 发表于 30-10-2017 10:40 PM
别美化penang forum这个载面具的国阵份子了。

没用的，骗不过人们的

我在讲槟消协，你在讲槟论坛。。。对，任何不支持砍山填海的，都是国阵的走狗

pulauturtle

槟州民主行动党阿依淡州议员黄汉伟文告 （2017年10月30日）

黄汉伟遗憾槟州水患论坛被政治化。

槟州民主行动党阿依淡州议员黄汉伟发表文告说槟城论坛对话会对民主行动党议员的指责是欠缺公平的。槟城论坛此次只是單方面的设定论坛日期。

黄汉伟说槟城论坛做为一个非政府组织却沦为攻击民主行动党议员的论坛，这不是一个健康的现象。黄汉伟也遗憾槟城论坛代表林马輝发表推翻槟州政府的言论及论坛主讲人苏达卡情绪化的煽情性演讲。黄汉伟指苏达卡任職于国阵背景的英文星报，而槟城论坛周日所主办的论坛被反对党领袖及国阵媒体所骑劫来攻击民主行动党议员。

黄汉伟说他在早前接受媒体访问时已告知在同时候需參加另一早已定下日期的会议，所以未克出席有关论坛。黄汉伟指出民主行动党在同时间在威省大山脚举行党汇报会。上述汇报会必须如期举行因为党领袖必须向基層解释由社团注册局指定民主行动党需在11月12日在莎亚南召开的党特别大会。

黄汉伟说他邀请槟城论坛到11月2日开始召开为期约一周的槟州议会旁听，听听朝野议员们针对水患问题及解决方案的辩论。黄汉伟说槟州政府也準备与槟城论坛代表在双方同意的日期会面。

黄汉伟说立法议员们关心水患问题並会在治水委员会会议上及槟州议会里跟进水患课题。他本身也亲自到水患区天德園路及甘榜赛码达协助災黎善后，咛听民意及设立櫃台申请援助金。

pulauturtle

Khoo Salma这个国阵帮手又出来骗大众了。。

Press statement by Syerleena Abdul Rashid – MBPP Councillor – Georgetown, Penang, 31st October 2017

Having attended the recent forum organized by Penang Forum on Oct 29, 2017 – I am left wondering if the organization has been taken over by individuals with hidden political agendas. While there were moments of constructive suggestions, the spirit of non-partisanship has definitely been marred by those whose political leanings are well known through various media reports – both mainstream and online.

It fills me with great disappointment that the Penang Forum continues to misguide members of the public by insisting that the construction site accident that occurred on 21st October 2017, was a landslide triggered by overdevelopment and insinuating that the state government and local authorities failed to adhere to set regulations.

On Oct 22, 2017, the Penang Department of Occupational Safety and Health (Dosh) director, Rosdee Yaakob affirmed that the landslide was, in fact, a construction accident. Furthermore, in another statement which was published on Oct 23, 2017, Ir. Dr Tan Yean Chin who is the current President for the Malaysian Institution of Engineers (an institution that has over 40,000 members and affiliated to several international engineering organisations and field experts) had stated that based on observations “the Tanjung Bungah Development was not built on a hill slope, rather on the land adjacent to the hill slope”, thus, debunking the perception that the project was a ‘hill-site development”. The project involved ‘slopes with a gradient of about 20 degrees’ classifying this site as a Category 2 slope (15 to 25 degrees) thus categorizing it as a low land (tanah rendah) and not hill land (tanah bukit). Furthermore, the land contour of the project area, varied between 18 metres and 40 metres, which is well within acceptable limits.

Members of public must be made aware that Penang has stricter hill slope development guidelines compared to the rest of the country, and contrary to what is perceived, the Penang state government does not allow any developments on hill land above 76 metres – vastly different from the current national guidelines limits, which is set at 300 metres.

It is most regrettable that Penang Forum (through the speech Khoo Salma Nasution delivered at yesterday’s Mesyuarat Biasa Majlis)  failed to mention the special projects that were approved by the previous Barisan Nasional lead state government. Currently in Sungai Ara, developer Sunway City is proposing a 32.4ha development consisting of high-rise apartments and bungalows, where nearly half will be situated on slopes above 25 degrees. It must be reminded that this project was approved as a special project on Sept 13, 1996 by the previous Barisan Nasional lead state government.

The Penang Structure Plan prohibits projects on hill land 76m over sea level or hill slopes with a gradient exceeding 25 degrees

In a statement made on Oct 30, 2017,  State executive councillor Jagdeep Singh Deo, stated that the state government was initially cautious because of legal concerns where it was viewed that disapproving special projects submitted to the state government before 2008, would be subjected to hefty compensation. However, based on new legal opinions, the state government will challenge this decision and will wholeheartedly support affected residents in their suit against the developer of this hill project.

Indeed, the problems occurring in Penang can be said to stem from poor planning but the reality is this: decades of mismanagement has created the mess Penangites now face. The current state government has done its best to address this in ways that can benefit all stakeholders within the limitations we face – the lack of financial assistance from federal and more so, the heavily centralized system has made upgrading and repair works challenging. There is a lot of red tape bureaucracy at the moment and this is undoubtedly being exploited by those in the corridors of federal power.

The current Penang state government has always put forth transparency and accountability; whatever developments that have been approved or rejected by the MBPP’s One Stop Committee (OSC) is made readily available on the council website. Additionally, guidelines can be viewed and downloaded from the council website. Moreover, councillors (even those appointed by their respective Non Government Organizations) are given access to even confidential council documents and various platforms exists to enable one to voice out their concerns, raise questions or even to share constructive feedback to further improve our present system.

With regards to the construction site tragedy, a State Commission of Inquiry (SCI) headed by former Bar Council president Yeo Yang Poh, and two other highly esteemed geotechnical experts, Ramli Nazir of Universiti Teknologi Malaysia and Gue See Sew, will commence thorough investigations to determine the causes of failure, propose improvements and bring those responsible to face the heavy hand of the law.

While I do not question the need for improvements and more so, seeking justice for the lives lost – a healthy approach must be made - preferably one that does not give way to irrational statements based on emotionally driven assumptions.

While I do not disagree with Khoo Salma’s statement “Extreme heavy rain and floods will be the “new normal”. Slope failure and landslides, unfortunately, will occur with greater frequency. In such a situation, we cannot get back to business as usual”, improvements must be made but it is also the government’s duty and responsibility that every single layer of society is given a chance to savor the same fruits of labour everyone does. The government of the day is also responsible to ensure that the demands of progress and development be met without leaving anyone behind.

Discourse and critical thinking are essential tools when it comes to securing progress in a democratic society; where unity and engaged participation are factors that determine the health of democracy instated. As always, our doors are always open and as someone who comes from a civil society background, I understand both the frustrations felt and the determination that is portrayed. Constructive feedback is always welcome, as we all want what’s best for Penang.

Penang is indeed a beautiful place to live and presents diverse uniqueness that other states within the federation envy. We have one goal, which is to make Penang a better place for everyone. Although, some of us may embark on different routes but our paths are bound to meet, one way or another. For the sake of Penang, let’s work together to bridge whatever gap that exists and for Penang’s future, let’s work on practical solutions that can benefit every one living in our fine gem of a state.

SYERLEENA ABDUL RASHID
Ahli Majlis/ Councillor
Majlis Bandaraya Pulau Pinang/Penang Island City Council

山村野夫

pulauturtle 发表于 30-10-2017 09:37 PM
郑雨周竟然假情假意问还有多少人埋在底下，它玩完了，露出虚伪的面目了。。。

没办法，它终于说要离开火箭，没得投机骗票了

还有数名失踪外劳没找到，郑雨周已报警。

pulauturtle

dogdogman 发表于 28-10-2017 04:19 PM
當NGO變得像台灣的NGO時候，以完全不同態度，不同標準對待同樣一件事情時候，就自然對所謂NGO有所保留了啦。
環保議題，NGO只對檳城的綠色有興趣而已。
愛狗議題，NGO也只愛檳城的狗而已。

跟台灣一樣。中立 ...

远的不说，Khoo Salma与林马惠根本不敢提起前政府批准真正在斜玻sunway的project, 因为是国阵，民政批准的。

看见这个情况根本不必多说了，那些把它们说得多清高的都是虚伪的废物

pulauturtle

让我们看看khoo salma, 林马惠， penang forum,等虚伪者何时会谈起sungai ara 的sunway city, 这是国政批准的project, 它们完全不敢出声批评。更重要的是，这个才是真正的山坡的工程。

Press statement by Syerleena Abdul Rashid – MBPP Councillor – Georgetown, Penang, 31st October 2017

Having attended the recent forum organized by Penang Forum on Oct 29, 2017 – I am left wondering if the organization has been taken over by individuals with hidden political agendas. While there were moments of constructive suggestions, the spirit of non-partisanship has definitely been marred by those whose political leanings are well known through various media reports – both mainstream and online.

It fills me with great disappointment that the Penang Forum continues to misguide members of the public by insisting that the construction site accident that occurred on 21st October 2017, was a landslide triggered by overdevelopment and insinuating that the state government and local authorities failed to adhere to set regulations.

On Oct 22, 2017, the Penang Department of Occupational Safety and Health (Dosh) director, Rosdee Yaakob affirmed that the landslide was, in fact, a construction accident. Furthermore, in another statement which was published on Oct 23, 2017, Ir. Dr Tan Yean Chin who is the current President for the Malaysian Institution of Engineers (an institution that has over 40,000 members and affiliated to several international engineering organisations and field experts) had stated that based on observations “the Tanjung Bungah Development was not built on a hill slope, rather on the land adjacent to the hill slope”, thus, debunking the perception that the project was a ‘hill-site development”. The project involved ‘slopes with a gradient of about 20 degrees’ classifying this site as a Category 2 slope (15 to 25 degrees) thus categorizing it as a low land (tanah rendah) and not hill land (tanah bukit). Furthermore, the land contour of the project area, varied between 18 metres and 40 metres, which is well within acceptable limits.

Members of public must be made aware that Penang has stricter hill slope development guidelines compared to the rest of the country, and contrary to what is perceived, the Penang state government does not allow any developments on hill land above 76 metres – vastly different from the current national guidelines limits, which is set at 300 metres.

It is most regrettable that Penang Forum (through the speech Khoo Salma Nasution delivered at yesterday’s Mesyuarat Biasa Majlis)  failed to mention the special projects that were approved by the previous Barisan Nasional lead state government. Currently in Sungai Ara, developer Sunway City is proposing a 32.4ha development consisting of high-rise apartments and bungalows, where nearly half will be situated on slopes above 25 degrees. It must be reminded that this project was approved as a special project on Sept 13, 1996 by the previous Barisan Nasional lead state government.

The Penang Structure Plan prohibits projects on hill land 76m over sea level or hill slopes with a gradient exceeding 25 degrees

In a statement made on Oct 30, 2017,  State executive councillor Jagdeep Singh Deo, stated that the state government was initially cautious because of legal concerns where it was viewed that disapproving special projects submitted to the state government before 2008, would be subjected to hefty compensation. However, based on new legal opinions, the state government will challenge this decision and will wholeheartedly support affected residents in their suit against the developer of this hill project.

Indeed, the problems occurring in Penang can be said to stem from poor planning but the reality is this: decades of mismanagement has created the mess Penangites now face. The current state government has done its best to address this in ways that can benefit all stakeholders within the limitations we face – the lack of financial assistance from federal and more so, the heavily centralized system has made upgrading and repair works challenging. There is a lot of red tape bureaucracy at the moment and this is undoubtedly being exploited by those in the corridors of federal power.

The current Penang state government has always put forth transparency and accountability; whatever developments that have been approved or rejected by the MBPP’s One Stop Committee (OSC) is made readily available on the council website. Additionally, guidelines can be viewed and downloaded from the council website. Moreover, councillors (even those appointed by their respective Non Government Organizations) are given access to even confidential council documents and various platforms exists to enable one to voice out their concerns, raise questions or even to share constructive feedback to further improve our present system.

With regards to the construction site tragedy, a State Commission of Inquiry (SCI) headed by former Bar Council president Yeo Yang Poh, and two other highly esteemed geotechnical experts, Ramli Nazir of Universiti Teknologi Malaysia and Gue See Sew, will commence thorough investigations to determine the causes of failure, propose improvements and bring those responsible to face the heavy hand of the law.

While I do not question the need for improvements and more so, seeking justice for the lives lost – a healthy approach must be made - preferably one that does not give way to irrational statements based on emotionally driven assumptions.

While I do not disagree with Khoo Salma’s statement “Extreme heavy rain and floods will be the “new normal”. Slope failure and landslides, unfortunately, will occur with greater frequency. In such a situation, we cannot get back to business as usual”, improvements must be made but it is also the government’s duty and responsibility that every single layer of society is given a chance to savor the same fruits of labour everyone does. The government of the day is also responsible to ensure that the demands of progress and development be met without leaving anyone behind.

Discourse and critical thinking are essential tools when it comes to securing progress in a democratic society; where unity and engaged participation are factors that determine the health of democracy instated. As always, our doors are always open and as someone who comes from a civil society background, I understand both the frustrations felt and the determination that is portrayed. Constructive feedback is always welcome, as we all want what’s best for Penang.

Penang is indeed a beautiful place to live and presents diverse uniqueness that other states within the federation envy. We have one goal, which is to make Penang a better place for everyone. Although, some of us may embark on different routes but our paths are bound to meet, one way or another. For the sake of Penang, let’s work together to bridge whatever gap that exists and for Penang’s future, let’s work on practical solutions that can benefit every one living in our fine gem of a state.

SYERLEENA ABDUL RASHID
Ahli Majlis/ Councillor
Majlis Bandaraya Pulau Pinang/Penang Island City Council

pulauturtle

山村野夫 发表于 1-11-2017 05:40 AM
还有数名失踪外劳没找到，郑雨周已报警。

不是我要看不起郑雨周，之前他说因为人命伤亡而触动它的“最后一根底线”， 所以才觉定离开火箭。。。

现在flip flop说因为与老马合作而他才决定离开火箭。。。

不必多说，一句话：“根本没原则，一味胡闹，引人注目而已。。。” 有个屁“原则”