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tanxinrong

yame 发表于 14-2-2014 03:47 PM
短片叫人不要轻易相信网络，自己又把片子传上网，这何尝不是另一种讽刺？

意思就是叫你连他的反驳你也去验证。不要轻易相信。如果大家都能验证网络讯息，相信很多不实信息就不会一传十，十传百了咯。

叶的灵

yame 发表于 14-2-2014 03:27 PM
谁说讽刺是不良文化？你们到底知道甚么是文化否？

讽剌文学，一直是中外文学界的其中一个重要体栽。“这 ...

The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare

The Merchant of Venice is a satiric play for several reasons. The entire play was set in favour of an audience that hated Jews and believed that even the most inhumane treatment was well-deserved. Labelled as "killers of Jesus Christ", the Jews were hated by Venetians; in this case,  the merchant Antonio, for charging usury and for being a Jew. Shylock the Jewish money-lender in the play, received harsh treatment from Antonio for being "thrifty". He disgraced Shylock publicly by speaking badly about him, calling him a "cut throat dog", spitting on his clothes and in his face and by kicking him like you would a stray dog. (Act One, scene Three). After all this, Antonio approaches Shylock about borrowing money to which Shylock replies, “Hath a dog money? Is it possible that a dog can lend three thousand ducats?"  Without remorse, Antonio, one of Shakespeare’s "protagonists" in the play, responds by telling Shylock, "I am like as like to call thee so again, to spit on thee again, to spurn thee too."
Shylock again suffers abuse at the hands of Christians when his only daughter Jessica elopes with Lorenzo, Antonio's friend, taking from him; bags of ducats, jewels and precious stones, even his treasured turquoise ring, which he received from his wife before she died. He is mocked and ridiculed when Solanio, Antonio's friend, refers to him as "the dog Jew" and telling of how Shylock ran through the streets of Venice crying for his ducats and his daughter, with boys following mockingly. (Act two, Scene Eight).
Finally, the play is satiric because, having suffered all the things mentioned above, Shylock is taken to court and stripped of his dignity, his possessions and most importantly, his religion, when Portia, disguised as a lawyer, brilliantly accuses him of attempting to kill Antonio in the signing a bond that demands a pound of his flesh, should he forfeit his loan. Shylock was left dejected and ridiculed for his vice.

http://aussiewriterperson.blogsp ... akespeare-play.html

yame

tanxinrong 发表于 14-2-2014 03:49 PM
意思就是叫你连他的反驳你也去验证。不要轻易相信。如果大家都能验证网络讯息，相信很多不实信息就不会一 ...

也许甚中一句话是对的，就是不要太相信网络：罪案降低42%这种谎言真是太无厘头。

叶的灵

tanxinrong 发表于 14-2-2014 03:49 PM
意思就是叫你连他的反驳你也去验证。不要轻易相信。如果大家都能验证网络讯息，相信很多不实信息就不会一 ...

问题是反驳短片里连一个政府官员的样子都没见到？要问谁查证？

至少郭小姐（跟政府比较起来）敢做敢当多了！

叶的灵

yame 发表于 14-2-2014 03:27 PM
谁说讽刺是不良文化？你们到底知道甚么是文化否？

讽剌文学，一直是中外文学界的其中一个重要体栽。“这 ...

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the greatest political analyst of them all? Well, if we are talking about literary gents I'll cast my vote for William Shakespeare.

Ironically, if Shakespeare were writing today, his career would be destroyed because of his rampant plagiarism. It was permissible in the early seventeenth century to take someone else's plot to an extent that would be unimaginable today. But Shakespeare used this to his advantage: not having to spend his time on creating his story, he could focus on honing his language and characters to perfection.

You can learn more about politics from Shakespeare than you can from most political science textbooks. Even more impressive, he was ahead of his time in dealing with many issues that only became important two or even three hundred years later.

Take the importance of mass politics and demagoguery, for example. At Shakespeare's time, courting the public was a secondary tactic at best. Kings had divine right; nobles determined the course of events. Yet, in Julius Caesar Shakespeare gives us Mark Antony's brilliant funeral speech for the title character who has been assassinated to stop him from becoming emperor.

Antony persuades the republican coup-makers to let him give a talk, then turns the mob against them. The assassins, who seek to empower Rome's citizens, think it enough to do the deed, Antony understands public relations. He even falsely tells the crowd that Caesar loved them so much that he left them most of his wealth. By the time Antony is finished talking, the citizens are running off to burn down the homes of the revolutionaries and murder them. No television campaign ad could compete with the effectiveness of this performance in smearing an opponent while pretending to be even-handed.

Or how about this unforgettable evaluation of what kind of man a dictator would have around him: "Let me have men about me that are fat;/Sleek-headed men and such as sleep o' nights:/Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look;/He thinks too much: such men are dangerous."

And then there's Richard III, the very definition of evil in politics, who understands himself well. Everyone is happy since his side has won the war for the throne, but he is miserable because his character is otherwise:

"And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover,/To entertain these fair well-spoken days,/I am determined to prove a villain." And he, like modern dictators in the Middle East, will use his enemy's goodness against them:

'And if King Edward be as true and just/As I am subtle, false and treacherous," the poor guy doesn't have a prayer.

Makes me think of Obama versus Ahmadinejad.

What is the greatest pre-battle speech a general ever made? If you include literature, none can equal the inspiration of King Henry V before his great victory at Agincourt:

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;/For he today that sheds his blood with me/Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile... And gentlemen in England now a-bed/Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,/And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks/That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."

Who else could have written plays in the seventeenth century about racism (Othello) and antisemitism (Merchant of Venice)? In Hamlet, he shows the devastating effects of indecision; in Henry V, what it takes to be a leader; in Antony and Cleopatra, the disaster in mixing love with matters of state; and in King Lear, the impossibility of holding onto power forever. The cost of crazed ambition is presented unforgettably in Macbeth.

Shakespeare needed to be politically sophisticated to survive in an age of clashing factions and Protestant-Catholic battles. On one occasion, when the Earl of Essex was about to launch an ill-fated coup attempt, he gave Shakespeare and company a nice payment to perform Richard II, which justified removing an incompetent monarch. Queen Elizabeth was not amused and her security police put the actors through a serious questioning session. Shakespeare's colleagues kept their heads and talked fast; Essex lost his.

At first, Macbeth thought getting to the throne would be easy.

"If chance will have me king, why, chance may crown me, without my stir[ring].''

But he found quickly that he had to get people out of his way at the end of a blade.

"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them," Shakespeare explained in Twelfth Night in defining the three routes to power.

As for propaganda, the Welsh king in Henry VI brags that he can call demons from the deep. Certainly you can call them, says his English foe, but when you call them, do they come?

In Shakespeare's plays, clever maneuvers get one into power but the price is that it doesn't last very long. His endings are basically happy in that the bad guys fall. But the stage is often littered with bodies, the bloody cost of the battle for power and glory.

His wisdom in general is still very appropriate for our day. "The play's the thing," he explained in Hamlet, "wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king."

http://rubinreports.blogspot.com ... itical-analyst.html

tanxinrong

叶的灵 发表于 14-2-2014 03:55 PM
问题是反驳短片里连一个政府官员的样子都没见到？要问谁查证？

至少郭小姐（跟政府比较起来）敢做敢当 ...

数据有很多set的，犯罪也是，治安的我不能怎么说因为给他们说完了（信者信之，不信者不信，我是不信啦，不懂他们怎样算的），不过其他如有国际权威的rating的，怎样都比娱乐讯息多可信度。

tanxinrong

yame 发表于 14-2-2014 03:54 PM
也许甚中一句话是对的，就是不要太相信网络：罪案降低42%这种谎言真是太无厘头。

statistics这种东西最容易骗人。

举个例子，一个小镇平时很安全的，一年最多一宗罪案，突然其中一年有了两宗，哇妈妈呀，罪案起了100%了哦，可是其实只是一宗变两宗。如果说那小镇变危险了，不再安全了，因为罪案起来夸张的100%，那是不是很有误导性？

同理，我相信那42%是拿特定罪案来骗人的，又或者是其他玩弄statistic的手段。没研究不懂。当然啦，我没证据。

叶的灵

tanxinrong 发表于 14-2-2014 04:00 PM
数据有很多set的，犯罪也是，治安的我不能怎么说因为给他们说完了（信者信之，不信者不信，我是不信啦，不 ...

如果郭短片只是一种娱乐。。那么政府制作的算是什么？是澄清还是娱乐呢？

哦。。我想起了。关于罪案率下跌那部分，内政部长的名有被提到哦！我想我们非得把这个视法律为无物的部长弄下台不可！

清者自清。。政府做的这部短片真的是越描越黑。。又不敢控告反对党员污蔑自己（整天只会说煽动。。现在谁被煽动了？华人有办法煽动马来人啊？），又不算是澄清事实（如果没有最后那个爱因斯坦的画面。。），充其量跟他们一样不伦不类。。既不是官员，也不是正常流氓。

yame

叶的灵 发表于 14-2-2014 03:56 PM
Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the greatest political analyst of them all? Well, if we are tal ...

是的，那些人没看过魯迅的《狂人日记》，应该也听过《阿Q正传》里的“阿Q”这个词吧？
够力的是，连童话故事《国王的新衣》也在搞讽刺。。。

tanxinrong

叶的灵 发表于 14-2-2014 04:09 PM
如果郭短片只是一种娱乐。。那么政府制作的算是什么？是澄清还是娱乐呢？

哦。。我想起了。关于罪案率 ...

拜托，政府哪有时间去做这么无聊的反驳短片。我敢肯定是我那些上司高级蓝兵为讨好老板做的。

叶的灵

tanxinrong 发表于 14-2-2014 04:12 PM
拜托，政府哪有时间去做这么无聊的反驳短片。我敢肯定是我那些上司高级蓝兵为讨好老板做的。

那么你的上司一点都不聪明。。因为短片中被提名的人都没在短片中出现过。。如果哪天短片出现在法庭，他们就没人帮他们说话了！

arwen

“more safer” ？？？ 文法都错了。。。

tanxinrong

叶的灵 发表于 14-2-2014 04:19 PM
那么你的上司一点都不聪明。。因为短片中被提名的人都没在短片中出现过。。如果哪天短片出现在法庭，他们 ...

就是没出现才能讽刺到爽爽。建议你去看癫狗的政治讽刺剧。

上司不聪明？他们都没有叫人反驳，是下面的蓝兵自high去反驳罢了。不爽就告他们咯。他们最后也有爱因斯坦disclaimer作挡箭牌。

叶的灵

tanxinrong 发表于 14-2-2014 04:25 PM
就是没出现才能讽刺到爽爽。建议你去看癫狗的政治讽刺剧。

上司不聪明？他们都没有叫人反驳，是下面的 ...

谁是＂癫狗＂？

做么要不爽它们呢？都只是一群不知所谓的东西罢了。

等这个 case close 的时候，看内政部长如何挽回警察对他所失去的 respect 吧？

tanxinrong

叶的灵 发表于 14-2-2014 04:59 PM
谁是＂癫狗＂？

做么要不爽它们呢？都只是一群不知所谓的东西罢了。

癫狗是粗话论政的，通常广东话配华语字幕，可以Google。很多很好笑。
看来你是最近才开始关注政治的。

内政部长很多人要他辞职，相信蓝兵都不爽这个倒米部长。警察也是。

奈何人家还有愚民支持。

yame

tanxinrong 发表于 14-2-2014 04:04 PM
statistics这种东西最容易骗人。

举个例子，一个小镇平时很安全的，一年最多一宗罪案，突然其中一年有 ...

不是统计骗人，而是人类利用统计数字骗人。
统计数字的运用是有其一定的规律与条件的，
忽视这些条件，统计数字就很容易受到操控而远离客观现实。

tanxinrong

yame 发表于 14-2-2014 05:28 PM
不是统计骗人，而是人类利用统计数字骗人。
统计数字的运用是有其一定的规律与条件的，
忽视这些条件， ...

我懂。我在research team 里面负责analysis part的。
他们不告诉我详细details，不懂statistically significant 吗？
会玩statistics 的话，不sig 都能变sig。运用statistics，可以骗人，连学术界的都可能被骗，何况layman？

alanwin

老医师 发表于 14-2-2014 11:45 AM
一码归一码，老医师不同意国阵做什么都是错的，如果巫统可以停止在马来人面前玩弄基督国，贪官，种族主义 ...

这是他们最后的铩手涧，会出到这招已经证明他们已经无路可走了...所以，老医师你对他们还会抱有期待吗？

叶的灵

tanxinrong 发表于 14-2-2014 04:04 PM
statistics这种东西最容易骗人。

举个例子，一个小镇平时很安全的，一年最多一宗罪案，突然其中一年有 ...

它们 provide 的关于罪案的数据肯定是玩弄过的。。如：凶杀案吧。。如果去年的众多凶杀案件中，警方连一个凶手都没抓到，就都还是悬案吧。（我唯一记得它们说知道凶手是四眼仔的是银行老板。。因为那个案件太轰动了。）如果他们不把明明是凶杀案的悬案当做凶杀案来处理。。那么我们的社会国家当然显得平安多了。。不是吗？

老医师

alanwin 发表于 14-2-2014 07:22 PM
这是他们最后的铩手涧，会出到这招已经证明他们已经无路可走了...所以，老医师你对他们还会抱有期待吗？ ...

是希望他们会改过，跟民联良性竞争，让民联有压力，不过不认为目前这批巫统领袖中有改革的勇者！